| #1 Blank (234.hartford-06-07rs.ct.dial-access.att.net)[11913] |
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Not that bad, but not great=] The pics were funny (though, not many good battle shots) but the story is pretty lacking. It was a nice turn-around, but too much of the action was missed. Try getting your own style of writing a BR, don't take YRM's and try to make it your style. It's getting pretty tiring of everyone using the same old bubble text and animated GIF's, etc.
And is anyone else getting sick of lame lessons learned? =] JV rules, isn't really a lesson.... =]
Blank complains alot to fill in the PR gap |
| #2 ~CB~ (buri.campus.vt.edu)[11914] |
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Not bad work, although there are a few things you can do to become a better BR writer:
- Don't talk. See my BR guide for a few tips on observer etiquette during a game.
- Spend less time bemoaning the fact that you miss every other detail and start paying more attention to the details.
- The speech bubbles were pretty inane...don't use something unless it adds to your report.
Give it another go-round; I bet with some refinement you could do an excellent job! |
| #3 DFA (12.8.134.194)[11916] |
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Haven't read it yet. But to JV mark4 anyone who knows this site all to well. what's up with the chat room here, i'm using a proxy but i can't and it won't let me in there to talk??? it just freezes? maybe you know why my lan no go go?
DFA |
| #4 DFA (12.8.134.194)[11918] |
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Not Bad, but better than what i could prob do=]Whats up with dictating a style to a particular person(YRM)? If it's good and you can use it to better the report, hey all the better, once again work sux, who's with me here=]
DFA |
| #5 Von Doom (fridge2.volvo.se)[11919] |
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Not read it yet..
Pics fine, but not displaying anything important..
The minimap battle was good, and I guess the rest are too, I will just read it..
to JV+Mark4:
YEAH!!
The chat does not work on 7/10 PC´s!!!!
Whats up with that!!
MayB mIRC will be a better place for this??
or some kind of link to Battle.net: NoHunters..
Kewl. |
| #6 T_Mac (207.134.200.30)[11920] |
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| The br was ok, but i thought your comments were kinda lame. Spend less time trying to be funny, and just insult orc or something... |
| #7 VRAM1974 (depth.martinet.com)[11922] |
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<p>I liked the report but it was missing a few things. Since my own BR got the same rating as this one I can't comment too much but...</p>
<p><span id="one" onMouseover="one.style.color='#00CCFF'"
onMouseout="one.style.color='#000000'">1. The bubbles did tend to take away from the actual action shots making them too cartoon like. A few of them were appropriate but you went overboard.</span><br>
<span id="two" onMouseover="two.style.color='#FFCC00'"
onMouseout="two.style.color='#000000'">2. Animated battle gifs might have worked better than animated bubble speech, but I liked the speech as well.</span><br>
<span id="three" onMouseover="three.style.color='#00CC33'"
onMouseout="three.style.color='#000000'">3. Johnny_Vegas sounds like he can be jerky sometimes. I don't know him well enough to say that though, but I'm pretty sure I was on /ignore last night. Not sharing vision with you in that
other game seemed pretty jerky to me, but CB's right in that OBs shouldn't talk since it also ruins battle shots.</span><br>
<span id="four" onMouseover="four.style.color='#990000'"
onMouseout="four.style.color='#000000'">4. No screenshots of the minimap. I absolutely love the minimap screenshots as opposed to the tired and overused Blizzard minimap animation. Even a straight-text battle report with minimap
screenshots only, gives me a better idea of what is going on and what territory is occupied by whom than a few screenshots of the action. That's why in my BR I tried to mix up some of the action with minimap shots. But maybe
that's <b>just me</b>.</span><br>
<span id="five" onMouseover="five.style.color='#3366FF'"
onMouseout="five.style.color='#000000'">5. Johnny_Vegas is right, dropships have a bad habit of not unloading. I call them "pansyships" because they turn tail and run at the first sign of attack, and you have to manually <b>force</b>
them to land.</span><br>
<span id="six" onMouseover="six.style.color='#FF0000'"
onMouseout="six.style.color='#000000'">6. By the way, how do you stop irradiate on an island map?</span><br>
<span id="seven" onMouseover="seven.style.color='#0000CC'"
onMouseout="seven.style.color='#000000'">7. Good battle report, I liked the build order focus you had. Personally I thought JV was going to lose too.</span></p> |
| #8 VRAM1974 (depth.martinet.com)[11923] |
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| Ok delete the above crap, I guess dhtml doesn't work here :-( |
| #9 TheRubberDucky (dfiatx100-044.dsl.gtei.net)[11924] |
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| They're ismore to dhtl to te just that part of the tag. They're like 9 lines you do in the header tag, per tag, and those are hard to typw =] |
| #10 VRAM1974 (depth.martinet.com)[11926] |
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Hehehe, actually the onMouseover works in IE with the fonts I wanted, it just doesn't revert back to original color, which would have been black anyway... DOH!
Anyway, lesson learned:
Trying to look cool often leaves you looking stupid.
:-) |
| #11 Alita99 (dhcp216-149.URel.Berkeley.EDU)[11927] |
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49 pics isn't a large amount. I watched Ducky own a certain "car" (that wants to remain anonymous). I took a total of about 130 pics. (I paused the game to "clean out my Starcraft folder) It probably won't be a br though - Ducky owned right from the start. =
Can't wait for WarCraft II:BNE. I can take up to a thousand pics... =)
... don't think I actually use all those pics though. It just means I have many more scenes to choose from fora battle report.
Suggestions for battle reporting:
1) Try not to mention things you may have missed unless it is something that turns the tide of battle. If it's just a minor skirmish that failed, there's really no need to mention it.
2) Work on the text part first. Text should be enough to tell the story without pictures. Pictures are just for added affect.
3) Keep working on it. I think you'll eventually do better than Ducky (and he sux!) =)
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| #12 DFA (12.8.134.194)[11932] |
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| Ducky?? Who's TRD?? Does he post here? heh=] |
| #13 Blank (199.hartford-10-15rs.ct.dial-access.att.net)[11933] |
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I disagree, any military unit action (aside maybe from scouting) should be reported on. Like in this report, that skirmish attack could of either of shown good micro on JV's opponent (sorry, at work and I forget his name) or bad micro, depending on how well the attack went (which failed I presume).
Oh well |
| #14 Barage (160.10.203.112)[11935] |
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Pretty good report. I do admit that not too much did happen there; JV basicly threw mass tanks at me and lobbed shells till I colapsed. Imo it was a macro vs macro match and my macro just reeks (don't tell me I need an ego boost, ask around.. I can't macro in most games :P). Also, the first drop on 9:00 I did didn't die; I just lost a tank there. The second drop on main was a continuation of the first (that's why I only have 1 tank in the pic :P). Also, the 'something happened at 3:00' was the 'super newbie' being sent over to his base to annoy. Wasn't too important, though.
Anyway, the people are also right in the fact that you don't need to copy YRM's style. It rocks, but just tell it how YOU would tell it.
Oh yeh, and tanks need to be dropped to 6 range in 1.07!!!
:P
Sf. "Ducky, PLEASE don't tell them!!" Barage
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| #15 Johnny_Vegas (staff-8.ahnet.net)[11936] |
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Yeah, I basically just macroed tanks out of 5 factories. I rallied them to the middle, I think I had like 30 tanks or more at one point. I was hoping there would have been a screenshot of my tank horde, but guess not. =[
Instead of going wraiths vs another terran, I decided to go goliath/Tank. That's a little more reliable imho.
BTW me and YRM got owned by Barage and MasterofMordor last night. *sigh* Barage got his revenge on me. |
| #16 TheRubberDucky (dfiatx100-044.dsl.gtei.net)[11938] |
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| No I got lucky my lurka faced no turrets at choke from That car you know. |
| #17 TheRubberDucky (dfiatx100-044.dsl.gtei.net)[11941] |
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| Ha. No. Jv...Thats not what happened..YRM dragged u down with his ownage skillz, he just forgot to use his ownage skillz |
| #18 Alita99 (dhcp216-149.URel.Berkeley.EDU)[11944] |
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Blank, I'm refering to this mention in the battle report:
"If you look at the minimap during the minimap battle, you can see Barage doing something in the 3 o'clock main. I don't remember what it was because my attention was on the incursion at hand..."
This comment just seems to stop the pacing of the battle report. IMHO, it would best be worked in as "Barage tried to push into the 3:00 main to distract Johnny's push, but failed" or left out entirely.
All military action's can't be reported by only one observer. He can't be at many places at the same time (well, ok, good ones can make it seem as if there are everywhere at once...).
The main actions (or those actions that show impressive strategy/tactics, or something out-of-the-norm-but-worked) should be reported on (i.e. in depth detail, #/type of unit, upgrades, etc). Unless you LIKE to know which specific mineral patch 0/0 SCV1, 0/0 SCV2, 0/0 SCV3 and 0/0 SCV4 went to... =)
... and only I call TheRubberDucky (or his pseudonym, [z]RubberDucky) "Ducky". All the rest of you need to find some other term of endearment... =)
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| #19 NeonPeon (209.57.26.2)[11945] |
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Ok guys, I have a bone to pick here. Loti used all the things that get TRD and YRM their 9's and 10's, but didnt get even an 8. WTF? He had animated speech bubbles, a minimap battle (which was much better than YRM's) And even TRIED to add some humor. I enjoyed this much more than those damn all text reports with a few minimap shots that the raters here give at least an 8. Give me a break. Anyway, while not the most extensive on detail, this report obviously took a long time and was well done, and deserves at least an 8.5 Not all of us can post YRM's name on ours.
NeonPeon |
| #20 NeonPeon (209.57.26.2)[11946] |
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Ioti
sorry, Loti was a typo
NeonPeon |
| #21 TheRubberDucky (dfiatx100-044.dsl.gtei.net)[11947] |
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| Only one of my reports got a 10, and that was dilluted by many 8's and 9's given to it. It's an 8.7 I think. That's my highest. |
| #22 Barage (160.10.203.112)[11948] |
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Well, I wasn't going to talk about that 2 on 2 that we did, JV, but since you brought it up, imo it ended up with a 1 on 1. Mordor ended up taking you on and YRM faced me after I did a few pot shots. If anyone owned you it was Mordor; I don't know if I could've held if you turned on me instead (Facing the tanks of the 1 on 1 as protoss... I'd rather not even THINK about that one :( ).
Oh, and I think Duck...err TRD should be deciding that one.. but just in case he agrees...
Sf. "TRD, PLEASE PLEASE don't tell them in your BR. I'll do ANYTHING, money, cash, your very own probe producing nexus with working light, I'll even spellcheck my name, PLEASE JUST DON'T TELL THEM!!!!!!!!" Barage
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| #23 Alita99 (dhcp216-149.URel.Berkeley.EDU)[11950] |
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Barage,
About the only this that works as a "donation" (read: bribe) to Ducky is rater status... But unless his e-mail problem to Mark4 suddenly works itself out, you can't stop him from anything! Except maybe winning... he sux! =)
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| #24 Ioti (98A6E502.ipt.aol.com)[11951] |
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My GOD! 23 comments and the it's only been up for like 10 hours. I rulez. Anyways, I'll take most of this advice to heart, and BTW, if JV is ever playing now, I'm dead silent except to the other obs or if I have something to say when I think the game is pretty much won. (which is usually once it's five minutes from winning) Otherwise, I always ask if people want me to be quiet or not. Most people actually don't care if I talk as long as I don't say anything about their forces.
Oh, and BTW, call me Loti and you die. |
| #25 YourRoleModel (relay.atinc.com)[11952] |
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I don't mean to go off on a rant here, but...
<B>To TheRubberDucky:</B>
I am usually the first to admit when I cost my team a win... but, and I think Johnny will even agree with me. We both played poorly. I feel strongly that too much time and effort was wasted by JV in the early game going for the gas at 3:00. I had some forces that I could have used in a co-ordinated attack, but I couldn't play one vs one at close range in a 2-2... it was just too awkward. Had I known ahead of time just how unco-ordinated we would be, I would have just gone fast to reavers.
<B>To Ioti:</B>
When I first looked at this report, I thought, oh, I've seen this alot lately, but after reading it carefully, I found myself really enjoying it. It does deserve more than a 7.0 in my opinion, and will rate it after this comment. I am kind of flattered, but as I have stated before, I am going to abandon my style after the FFA reports are over, however many games that ends up being after this second one. I think the difference in "captioning" is that I put captions in pictures that are usually "high action", but you have quite a few pictures of workers building stuff. Does anyone else agree that plague/ensnare/acid covered carriers is a more interesting shot to use a caption with? Part of what takes me so long to whittle my 150+ screenshots down to 14 images or so is "shot selection" and "telling the story of the battle" with pics. That said... without question, this was an enjoyable report. Keep up the good work.
<B>To everyone who says, all YRM's 10.0s...</B>
I count ONE 10.0... and that was for an ungodly number of hours of work on those images and story. Since then, I have put in MORE effort, and still fell short of a 10.0 every time, albiet just barely. I think there are alot of little factors that come into play when you add images... and alot of times, "images won't help your rating". I like to think that if I spend an hour or more on a single image that depicts the bloodiest battle of the game, that YES, it does help my ratings because people can look at that ONE image and become captivated by what was happening "tank push from hell", "carnage", and "storm" are good examples.
Anyway, sorry to ramble. Just think of it this way, the last two pages are about 50% gold... so even if people are using a certain style as a jumping off point, I think that there is an improvement over the beginning of the summer. The reason it isn't as noticable is that there are less bad reports to compare to.
...but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong. |
| #26 Dino Din (port-31-16.access.one.net)[11953] |
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Problem I felt with this report, is that while it copied the devices YRM uses (such as mini map, speech bubbles, etc.) it failed to deliver the lesser known devices. YRM's style is actually in his writing. THat's where the report is people!!! He draws you into a game, that was very good, he makes jokes, but only aside, and they always deal directly with the action invovled. He has no inane jokes, which is what this report fails at.
Of course thats just my opinon.... |
| #27 BomberII15 (spider-wb074.proxy.aol.com)[11954] |
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Hey YRM, how can you get it so that you can take more then 1 hundred pocs a game, do you have to make an extra folder or something? Please tell me how, much abliged.
Anyway I kinda liked this one, the moving text was interesting and some of the tank push shots were good, but I do think you went a little overboard on text balloons, bu the writing was good, the pics were good and you show a good ability to manipulate programs to make some good stuff, I think you'll keep doing better stuff if you work at it. |
| #28 ~CB~ (buri.campus.vt.edu)[11956] |
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Bomber, when you hit the 100 limit, politely ask your players to pause. Then Alt+Tab out of Starcraft and move all your screenshots into a different folder (it doesn't matter which). Then you can start with your second hundred pics.
And for the record, I no longer rate really good reports that people expect to get a 10 (even though I only did that once). Ever since I got nine retributive bloody ferret heads in my mailbox... ;) |
| #29 SuperGeneral (cr732571-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com)[11957] |
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he he YRM gives his works of art titles :)
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| #30 NeonPeon (209.57.26.2)[11961] |
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| No one will address me by name. Sheesh. |
| #31 NeonPeon (209.57.26.2)[11962] |
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I think its funny that on this site you need to be a name to:
Get gold for hours of hard work
A fair chance at constructive comments
No comments directed towards you without the USE OF YOUR NAME, instead of saying "and to everyone who says..."
Even get your comments read
Neon(Thats my opinion, use it if you like it, shove it if you dont.)Peon
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| #32 NeonPeon (209.57.26.2)[11963] |
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And at the risk of being the new COMMENT WHORE....
LOTI
NeonPeon |
| #33 Ioti (98A6E502.ipt.aol.com)[11967] |
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| Are you trying to make me angry Neon? :-P |
| #34 Ioti (98A96E8B.ipt.aol.com)[11985] |
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| I took another look at the minimap battle, and I think near the end you can see the tanks building up in the center... If I had known all those tanks were there, I would have definitely taken a picture. However, most of the time I only looked at expansions for interesting stuff... sorry. |
| #35 TheRubberDucky (dfiatx100-044.dsl.gtei.net)[11987] |
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| I don't know why mark4 made me think I'm a rater. I don't even think I am one. my pseydoym (big word user) is the name that the brethren in my elite clan (ha) gave me. It was either that or [z]Homo I dind't like that. ohdamn.cjb.net |
| #36 .Praetor (fjwilson.reshall.ucsd.edu)[11990] |
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NeonPeon, you're just wrong. The only difference a name makes when I look at a report, is WHETHER I look at a report when I have little time, and that is just if they aren't rated yet.
This report was good, and had many features. You fail to address the use of those features and the overall 'feel' of the report. Did I laugh and want to read more, that is the question.
And pics are not the most important part of a BR. I should hope not, I don't have a single pic posted in over 10 reports.
.Praetor
www.wclegacy.com/brigand
www.sclegacy.com/phoenix
www.battlereports.com search:praetor |
| #37 Ioti (ABD2D093.ipt.aol.com)[12005] |
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| Hey, I am wondering why this went back down to 7! Did YRM withdraw his vote or something? :-( |
| #38 TheRubberDucky (dfiatx100-044.dsl.gtei.net)[12008] |
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| nope, someone just voted it a 6. Damn. This isn't a 6 report. This is an 8 report! |
| #39 Phuckin-Rhetard (ip205.tucson4.az.pub-ip.psi.net)[12042] |
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| #40 T.T.Boy (ncache1.ford.com)[12053] |
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| I liked the report. It wasn't the greatest game, and YRM's speech bubbles are much funnier, but Ioti tried hard and will get better. |
| #41 DoomDragon (port9-10.gettysburg.desupernet.net)[12067] |
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| Nice report Ioti. |
| #42 Mr. Merf (dial-up219.twistedpair.net)[12074] |
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Aih, I must say it was painful to me. I didn't care for all of the SCV pics, they really didn't help anything=P Also, the game wasn't intriguing. The story was jumbled. The other pics were so-so. And the minimap told more of the story than Ioti did.=[
All in all, I just went 0-4 at my debate tournament, so I can't compliment anyone until tomorrow. Or at least until I murder the two judges that need it... |
| #43 Ioti (slip-32-101-226-166.co.us.prserv.net)[12088] |
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Wow, I'm getting a lot of conflicting opinions here... BTW, who votes to ban Phuckin-Retard? Would not you agree he's a worthless piece of scum? Anyways, I'll try to find a better game to report on in the future, and with a bit more focus on the text. Less SCV pics and more battle pics too... I had battle pics, I just felt like SCV pics would have more of a place here. Guess I was wrong.
Oh, and Phuckin: Du bist ein grosse Stück Scheiße, aight? |
#44  (27.np1.np.dialup.nau[12113] |
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To NEONPEON:
Dear, Neon, I have heard your comment before, by other people and in other places. That is why I addressed it the way I did.
I thought I gave Ioti some constructive criticizm and some well earned praise. What the heck man? I have tried to help anyone who asked me how to do something just about any time they have ever asked me. I try to offer advice to anyone who asks. I have given out several 9.0s to some of the recent fantastic reports. I have only ever given a ten to one other BR writer, and that was CattleBruiser on his three part report. My standard for a ten is that it has to be 99.9% error free, if there are pictures, they'd better look damn good, and the report has to be entertaining to the point where I'd read it twice or more... AND, the game has to be STELLAR, and the report has to tell it accurately and in enough detail to make me feel like I was there. That is why A~Butter~Slicer got such a high rating... the game was FABULOUS.
Anyway, I hope I have made my point in a polite and intellegent fashion, because no hard feelings are intended.
To ~CattleBruiser~:
It is frustrating to fall short of a 10.0 buddy, but I am only teasing you about the retributive 9.0's. I appreciate that you have extremely high standards, and I hope that I can earn a 10.0 from you at some point in the future once again. Please do not stop rating. 10.0 reports should be nearly unattainable... nearly...
To Ioti... once again... very good work. Please keep writing, your report was VERY enjoyable despite a few of the things I mentioned earlier. |
| #45 psy (SNFCBB04-32.splitrock.net)[12173] |
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| ur reports sucks ballz |
| #46 <img "http://www.3dgraphicworks.com/jwp/hc.jpg"> (209.185.98.79)[12235] |
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Hey, good report! Good screenshots. I like it. Keep it up!
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| #47 Ioti (205.168.7.27)[12237] |
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Suddenly I'm getting a disproportionate amount of "sucks balls" comments. I'm guessing it's because people hate me. :-D Seriously though, if you can't come up with the intelligence to tell me WHY my reports "sucks ballz" as you put it, don't expect me to listen to you.
Psy: Du könne saugen auf meinem fetten Hahn. |
| #48 YourRoleModel (relay.atinc.com)[12238] |
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Maybe he was saying my reports suck balls. I'm taking that to heart and going to try to do better next time. =)
I like it, Cattlebruiser likes it, Heartcutter likes it... lotsa people likes it...
To your above comment: I did not take back my vote. Most likely, one of the other dozen or so raters voted on it since then. I gave you an 8.0, and probably would have given you an 8.5 if it was available. |
| #49 Ioti (205.168.7.27)[12239] |
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| Don't you just love confounding other people with foreign languages? They're gonna toss in their sleep over what it says, unless they happen to know. :-) I thank those of you who told me my report was good, and those who told me they didn't like it, but told me WHY (e.g. inane speech bubbles) without resorting to a lot of childish insults. |
| #50 Eggfoo-Young (r67h91.res.gatech.edu)[12254] |
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Hrm... few people around the dorm looked at it and we agree the biggest pitfall is the usage of pointless graphics. Nothing against speech bubbles, but they really didn't add much to your battlereport. Maybe some shots of pivotal things not - hate to reference something that's already been referenced - an scv building a cc. But they are good pictures of action shots - just the wrong actions for a br.
Other then that great br.
Eggfoo-Young
now comes in Mutalisk Eggfoo-Young!!! |
| #51 DarthYang (209.167.6.12)[16616] |
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Hey homes. Pretty good report, although some of the stuff in the speech bubbles was kind of retarded.
And damn, was there a lot of images.... |
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