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#1 GoofBall (walker0-208.reshall.ou.edu)[18956]
Hmmm... why do I have to think "Merry Christmas!" while reading that report?
#2 ~Talon~ (cx110054-a.pwy1.sdca.home.com)[18957]
Great report, but a few things here and there that you missed...

1)you said that Zileas took the 9:00 o'clock natural, the one not being covered by an observer, but at the start of the report you said that Gizmokid started at the 9 o'clock. That kinda confused me.

2)Templar plural is not Templars, it is Templar.

3)"Zileas was well prepared for the counter attack from GiZmOkId, therefore he kept his Tanks UNsieged excpet for 3-4 Tanks which were in Seige Mode, also he placed SiegED Tanks behind his UNsieged Tanks and Vultures, the Vultures also laid mines in front of the Tanks. " I had absolutely no idea what was going on there... maybe you could clear up the description a little.

Anyway, sounded like a good game, and entertaining to watch... Christmas colors are neat =) hehe.







#3 ']['amaraw (203.172.21.187)[18961]
Great game, i'll practice two pronged attack more often. And neat tricks too, dropping a zeal in the middle of heavy metal and worker blockade to save tanks.

Damn unsieged tanks vs zeals also happened to me once. I haven't seen zealots getting beaten by dancing tanks in my life.



#4 killer.on.486 (proxy3.emirates.net.ae)[18967]
thank u all for ur opinions...
Talon, let me expalin:
First of all, i read ur first report, its GREAT, especially since it was ur first...keep it up
Lets suppose Zileas had 10 tanks, he kept aprrox. 6 tanks in Tank mode, while he kept the remaining 4 tanks in Siege mode...and the tanks in Seige mode were placed BEHIND the tanks in Tank mode, prolly because of the speed upgraded zealots, and he just had some vultures scattered around the place, thats all, hope it helped...

btw, did u guyz understand GiZmOkId's single Zealot drop? and Zileas'es SCV blockade?
Obvioulsy, both these trciks were unconventional, so u might have not understood, anyway...if there is any doubt in the br, plz lemme know









#5 necrosausage! (chello212186163122.ibk.surfer.at)[18969]
"Obvioulsy, both these trciks were unconventional, so u might have not understood, anyway...if there is any doubt in the br, plz lemme know"

HEY! We r no mongos! Why shouldnt we understand the two cool tricks? :/ : Dont talk to the readers like they are 3 years old...

anyways, freaking AWESOME game, decent report = rating 8

BTW: Did the Toss really go Gas BEFORE Gateway? I find this a lil disturbing especially since he didnt went for super-fast tech (even if Im super-fast-DT rushing I get Gateway and then Gas)





#6 (ncache1.ford.com)[18972]
Great Report. I loved it. Great players, great game, great report. It was a tiny bit hard to follow at times preventing you from getting a 10, but don't listen to anyone saying it had major flaws. I give you a 9. Keep up the excellent reporting on brilliant tactics from the masters.
#7 [18975]
I was under the impression Gizmo sucked...anyone care to confirm this?
#8 killer.on.486 (proxya.emirates.net.ae)[18979]
Thanx again, btw necro: i was just trying to b helpful, since Talon said that some parts were confusing

and TTboy, u say the report was a bit hard to follow, can u plz explain y?, cuz i REALLY tried hard to make it as easy to understand as possible...thanx for all ur opinions, i really appreciate it

btw Mark4, gizmo doesnt suck, hes beaten a number of AX players and some other mentionables, like [9]NTT, thats all i know...but sometimes, his brother uses his accout, so be careful :)


#9 killer.on.486 (proxya.emirates.net.ae)[18980]
oh yes necro, the Toss REALLY did go gas b4 Gateway, I am pretty sure. i find it strange too..
#10 JSH (nscs51p16.remote.umass.edu)[18983]
Damn that was a good game.
#11 Tariq (198.168.49.221)[18987]
Mark4, he does the guy just talks alot of shit for no reason 8(

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btw good report but it need some screen shots.
#12 <img "/images2/n_fls.gif">[18989]
gizmo....
yes I remember that guy. It's the guy who talks a lot of shit, then proceed to whine like a bitch when someone beat him like a pinata.

On the game... the battle was great, tho the writing is just a bit... yah...
#13 Willzzz (dns1.rhbnc.ac.uk)[18994]
Seriously 1 zealot took out 8 tanks from mines exlploding against him? Is the splash range of spider mines so much that one explosion can kill 8 tanks, or was this a four zealot drop not a single zealot?
#14 [18997]
Nice Battle! I thought Zileas would win though. Damn shame he didn't.
#15 (strangers.bragg.ar[18999]
Hmmm. Most people rang in with Gizmo sucks.

Oh, and beating A-X players isn't exactly an accomplishment. Beating Ahscar, ok. Apex... alright. But pretty much everyone else except Whoop and Dek...

=]
#16 (fjwilson.reshall.uc[19004]
The plural of Templar is really up to debate. In Earth's history, the Order of Templar was a crusading brotherhood aligned with the Hospolitiers and active in Anatolia, Rhodes, and the Holy Lands. Now, since it is the order of Templar (no s), High Templar is an acceptable plural, just as sheep (plural) has no S.

Because this is, after all, a game in English, and the Templar plural is confused even in the historical sense, Templars should by no means be considered wrong, though I for one prefer the more old-sounding Templar or Latin plurals.

Latin plurals? Well, since Blizzard has stated Protoss is most easily translated into Latin, it is artistic and acceptable to use a third plural form for Templar: Templari. You notice "Hata Templari" is occasionally uttered by a High Templar.

So Templar, Templari, Templars are all acceptable, though I prefer the first two.
#17 (1Cust181.tnt28.tco[19007]
In the starcraft manual I believe they refer to multiple templar as templari
#18 loserboye (BESS3.cbe.ab.ca)[19008]
now i may be a newb but what i think i read was a good game
if u think gizmo can't play or sucks CHALLENGE him
then u could see ??
verry nice br and i really actualy ( not like those people that say it beacuse they want to say it) DID NOT know who was gonna win.
the 2 tricks the players used were pretty cool

BOO terran YAAH toss
#19 killer.on.486 (proxyd.emirates.net.ae)[19014]
I would just like to further clarify this confusion about GiZmOkId...

Me and GiZmOkId are REAL life freinds, my dad and GiZmO's dad work in the same shop and we have 4 computers serially linked, so when GiZmO or i play, the other takes the screenshots and writes the BR using another computer..

Also, the GiZmOkId i am talking about, is NOT the one mentioned in this game...The REAL GiZmOkId is 14 years old, while GiZmOkId's brother is 16, GiZmO's bro drops in VERY late in the nite and plays on bnet...

in this game it was GiZmOkId's brother who was playing against Zileas...not the real GiZmOkId..

btw, GiZmOkId is an OK player, while his brother really ROX!...man he can beat me with jut ZEALOTS!, but then again, i am a NEWBIE =(

#20 N1ghtshade (1Cust43.tnt7.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net)[19016]
SHIT
I cannot believe zileas actually loss. He is my favorite expert. too bad he was using terran. I wanna see some of his old toss magic. Oh well. If he was toss, then gizmokid was A FUCKING GONER.


TOSS>TERRAN (just reminding)
#21 GiZmOkId (proxyd.emirates.net.ae)[19019]
WHOA!!
killer u make me look soo GOOD :)
first of all, I AM NOT BETTER THAN ZILEAS, Zileas could kick my ass prolly any day of the week..i just got lucky, and he got unlucky..heh

oh, btw, some of u think i suck?, actually, i dont remember playing mark4, or [fls]prozerran anytime, so dude, before u make a comment, plzz review what u say...
obviuosly, u r confused between me and my bro...anyway, i cant blame that on u..can i?

btw, does my bro really bitch after losing?..if he does, i will spank him :)

GG
#22 Tariq (198.168.49.221)[19021]
Giz, I said you suck cuz you talked mad shit to me for no reason cuz I was trying to help someone out with strats on the gx forum.
Then you bitched and moaned cuz i didn't feel like playing.

So it seems that you are nothing but an annoying whore. 8D

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#23 <img "/images2/n_fls.gif">[19023]
mebbe.

I had many names, and so does Mark4 in the past two months. Whoever that may be, the Gizmokld I played against was bitching since the beginning till the end of the game.
#24 Zileas (STARCRACK.MIT.EDU)[19024]
This was not me.

1) I do not play heavy metal
2) I never do wall ins at my choke. ever.
3) I do not use vulture mines. I only build vultures in rare cases for harassment against people who are really sloppy.
4) Anyone who plays me when im terran knows my trademark defense, which is ONE bunker in the peon line with a tank on either side. At that start pos the ONLY buidl config I use is:

Barracks 12
refinery 10
supply 8

factory in upper right hand corner
starport immediately after factory
consoldate my main
act with dropships and tanks in a useful way -- either watse a natural, or take an island depending..

This is not how this game was played.

there is a ziieas and a zlleas around that imperonsate me.

Zileas
#25 Zileas (STARCRACK.MIT.EDU)[19025]
oh and i almost never expand to my natural, but rather prevent their natural and grab an island.. with terran its easier to hold islands than naturals I think....and I like the flexibilty having hte higher tech allows me.

Zileas
#26 GiZmOkId (proxy3.emirates.net.ae)[19026]
well [fls]prozerran, in NWTR u told me i ladder abused, CRAP i have never playe ladder in my life!!!
u must be mistaken dude

as for Tariq, i dunno, u must have spoken to my brother, consider my sincere apologies on his behalg

ZILEAS!, WTF!, u told me u were ZILEAS!, i have the screen SHOT!
#27 <img "/images2/n_fls.gif">[19028]
ROFL
we were talking about some guy on ladder with a 24-0 1600 record.

LMAO. =]
#28 GiZmOkId (proxya.emirates.net.ae)[19029]
YIKES!

i just realised!, that guy was SMURFING as Zileas *sigh* i am so dissapointed, i thought i beat u Zileas :)

actually, that guy who was smurfing as Zileas had a GREAT melee and ladder record, therefore i thought it was u, since u r soo good a ladder...my bad

But that guy had 1300 ladder....DAMN..silly me!

if any1 still needs a Screenshot, i have it,i dont know HTML, so, sum1 tellme how i can post it, thanx
Sincerely, GiZmOkId

#29 <img "/images2/n_fls.gif">[19030]
Zileas,

I just like marines when I'm terran. =] =] =]
#30 Tariq (198.168.49.221)[19031]
[FLS]Prozerran stop writing msg's and finnish that br with May in it for i2e2 8D.

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p.s. Hope its as good/better than your other br's
#31 <img "/images2/n_fls.gif">[19032]
on it
as I said, I won't release the reports until the end of this week. got too much work here.

For those who cares (probably almost no one), I had a 10-page paper due tomorrow, a robotics project to finish by the end of this weekend, an operating system project part 3, and 3 homeworks due next week. That's why the report is taking a lil while.

=]
#32 (dhcp-219-189.res.UMassD.Edu)[19033]
tHoeSe Kolers aR EnnoYyn Tsi hwut eiGh Mheeng???
#33 Macdonough (dial209-23.star-telegram.com)[19037]
<font color="red">Yo Zileas...</font>This game was hilarious--a guy impersonating you and not even using dropships or taking islands. Hahaha...this is so fake! Besides, his micro was squat compared to yours.

Anyway, the report itself was great. It had me on the edge of my seat (well maybe not since there's an armrest...ouch = ).
#34 MikeyMonty (spider-tm051.proxy.aol.com)[19040]
I don't know about you guys but the "imbalance?" thing in the title sort of blew the ending for me.. oh well, good anyway.
#35 OrcishBrute (spider-wj084.proxy.aol.com)[19041]
I lost to GizmoKid. He rushed me. Bastard.
#36 (fjwilson.reshall.uc[19045]
Mark4: as a normal person, thanks for clearing that up.

Mark4: as a future academic, thanks for bringing that bit of evidence to my attention. In this case, we clearly see Blizzard attempting to develop the 'character' of the Protoss race by using the Latin plural option I referred to. This emphasizes my point that Templar and Templari are very good plurals to use, while Templars is grammatically correct, but un-artistic.
#37 GiZmOkId (proxya.emirates.net.ae)[19057]
OMG!! orcish brute u EXTREMLY lame!

man, when i attacked u, we both had natural expansion working, and u had teched to Templar, while I had reavers..
and i reaver drop...

then i made a frontal assault
the game lasted 24 mins, AND U CALL THAT A RUSH??!!! OMG!
#38 GiZmOkId (proxyd.emirates.net.ae)[19062]
i would like to further continue the debate of the Templar.

Plural of form of Fungus is fungi, thus the if the plural of templar cannot be Templari , bcause in does not end in "us"
#39 JSH (nscs11p4.remote.umass.edu)[19064]
I fail to see how that fungus argument holds any water.

Should the plural of "bus" be "bi"?

Also I could say the plural of goose is geese. Therefore the plural of moose is meese because it ends in "oose". But of course that's wrong.

What I end up usually doing is abbreviating Templar as Temp, thus when I say "making temps", people know I'm making more than one templar. If I said "making temp" people would think I would be making just one.

Easy workaround. :)
#40 <img "/images2/n_fls.gif"> (I.have.a.very.cool.ip.address.here)[19069]
so book would be beek
rook would be reek
whoop would be wheep!!!!
#41 Wallabystein (pm162-111.dialup.netidea.com)[19073]
Articles! you forget articles! When one says "He made templar" it means that the guy made many templar because it lacks the singular indefinite article "a". It should be clear to anyone whether you're talking about many templar or one templar just by looking at the article or lack there of when saying "he made.."

anyway, long live the earth muffins!


#42 (fjwilson.reshall.uc[19077]
Your're right Wallabystein, and also, Gizmo, Templari is a Latin plural, as is fungus, which is the source of the 'i' ending, not because the word ends in 'us'.
#43 NotDefault (cr710281-a.surrey1.bc.wave.home.com)[19087]
Ack! Cut out all the colors! Player names with colors help clarify, but when it is Christmas everywhere, it is rather hard to read :). I couldn't read the whole report because of that - although I may go back and try again because it got good ratings.

NotDefault
#44 necrosausage! (chello212186163122.ibk.surfer.at)[19110]
singular: Templar
plural: Templer

Why? Cuz I said so...
#45 GiZmOkId (proxye.emirates.net.ae)[19111]
heh..
obviously i cant argue further about that "plural" thingy, since we have soo many GREAT literary ppl in here :)

#46 Darkhawke (user___4.nf.sympatico.ca)[19155]
Hmm. 1 giz kicks, and the other one is allright. Oh well.

Nice report.
#47 +Goofy+ (139.182.170.84)[19207]
OK:

A fake Zil and the "other" Gizmo. Still a great game.



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