| #1 Bane-The-Feared[43943] |
| fcs03asm.asm.bellsouth.net |
| Booya! |
| #2 Fox^1[43944] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
I love sports center. :)
Fox^1 |
| #3 xero[43946] |
| 209.127.79.13 |
that was cool, i dont even play zerg and i enjoyed reading that :-)
maybe i'll play zerg now muhahahaha |
| #4 PHA']['-MAN~PK[43948] |
| 1Cust166.tnt5.bradenton.fl.da.uu.net |
| hey Foxie good job liked the strat...you made lots of good points about scouting and mixing up your units and strategies...now only if you would try to use those strats when you play 2v2's with me...=) cause you never do =þ j/k laterz |
| #5 Bane-The-Feared[43949] |
| fcs03asm.asm.bellsouth.net |
me = all zerg player huk ^^;
hehe, zerg > all |
| #6 Master-chef[43953] |
| 98ACC8E0.ipt.aol.com |
Great report...nice strats w/ the examples etc
But i was gonna do a BR with a similar concept...being a teacher etc etc..
O wells good job
Chef |
| #7 ~)|(~[43954] |
| dhcp9563001.columbus.rr.com |
| <font color="lime">wow 6 comments in about 6 minutes u no im bored cause i no this<font> |
| #8 Punck`[43955] |
| spider-wq021.proxy.aol.com |
hmm...way to make your strats into a battlereport of sorts so they don't have to delete it.
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| #9 Wriathfighter[43956] |
| mail.mx.brainstorm.net |
here is my build order:
8 pool
8 ovie
9 colony imediatly to sunken
10 sunken
11 gas
It is an anti rush build and very usefull to be able to tech moderetly. Besides, it is only bad against early exp and 4 pool |
| #10 Fox^1[43959] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
Thanks everyone for the feedback glad you liked it! Phatman!! You carry me when we play 2on2 =]
WraithFighter: Nice build order..... I MUST TRY!
Fox^1 |
| #11 xero[43960] |
| 209.127.79.13 |
this is my toss build :
7 pylon
10 gateway
12 die to zerg rush |
| #12 xero[43962] |
| 209.127.79.13 |
this is my toss build :
7 pylon
10 gateway
12 die to zerg rush |
| #13 Krone[43963] |
| 1Cust104.tnt2.ind1.da.uu.net |
I liked it. Many zergs dont understand that they can scout with a drone also its good that you pointed that out.
O and xero u suck =o
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| #14 CraZy[43970] |
| px1he.ss.wave.shaw.ca |
| Krone you suck you need this strat guide =], btw zergies suck ^^ |
| #15 CraZy[43971] |
| px1he.ss.wave.shaw.ca |
| Krone you suck you need this strat guide =], btw zergies suck ^^ |
| #16 xero[43986] |
| 209.127.79.48 |
die krone
just die
:-) |
| #17 probe[43988] |
| dt121n28.tampabay.rr.com |
My terran > Mark4's protoss on lost temple
btw mark i'm br'ing that, since you br'ed mine
.. :) |
| #18 Baxter-O'Bixby[43990] |
| adsl-63-195-119-107.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net |
| 18th comment owns you. So don't even try. |
| #19 WilliamWC3[43991] |
| huru59.wuh.wustl.edu |
damn you baxter. almost had it this time
nice work Fox... 2v2 tao?? |
| #20 Persian[43993] |
| proxy1-external.rdc1.az.home.com |
| Hmm..why a 13pool vs toss? Why mix up builds:( I am chobo and don't understand how any of those things will win vs a protoss or terran. ZvZ is all about 5 pool, ask Strike, LOL. |
| #21 Fox^1[43994] |
| 01-031.039.popsite.net |
Persain: Why not? Some toss players like to either tech quick to templar or reaver. Most don't mass large amounts of zealots. A 3 hatch lings can catch them with there pants down. Against terran I have won numerous games with a 9 pool. Once again they quick tech and you catch them with there pants down.
Fox^1 |
| #22 S Warrior[44007] |
| d5090.dtk.chello.nl |
| kewl report Fox^1 =)))) |
| #23 PeonLover[44010] |
| 12.78.73.50 |
I agree with the complete importance of scouting because it is that importance. Even burrow can be important in scouting sometimes to burrow where a nexus/hatch/cc would be built.
The hardest protoss to beat are templar/zeal/archon. I use 7 hatch hydras and queens at random intervals. The queens take care of the templar and when you can get just that many hydras you can take the protoss off guard in sheer numbers by keeping some in your base for when you really need it. |
| #24 Casper...[44019] |
| odo.computerstudies.ca |
| goon/templar/reaver is much more abusive than temp/zeal/archon. sheer number of hydra, and proper management tends to slaughter the drifting zeals, and soon the archons/temps are islolated. Goons don't run off, and reavers punish dancing. |
| #25 </font><font color="red"><S><B>Khorne</font></s></b>[44020] |
| 198.174.18.90 |
| Hmmm.... i always power when i am zerg and scout so i can see what pool they go. I usually go around a 13-15 pool. Anyways not bad BR any no1 i plays 4-6 pools. |
| #26 AgentN[44028] |
| cp-cache1.cpinternet.com |
I have a couple BO's for Z v random...
8 Ovie
13 Hatch
13 Pool
17 Hatch
16 Ovie
(All hatches are at main unless you know what opponent your facing) (This is good b/c you can exp quick w/ 3 hatches or you can power up to either lings or hydra's, given you put an extractor in there)
This is another one I use for Z v T
10 Ovie
12 Pool
12 Hatch
11 Gas
(power drones)
~22 Den (for hydra)
~21 Lair for lurkers
then power out of your two hatches and get lings and lurkers....I have found that to be better than hydra lurker.... This is because after the Ran falls back into his base, run your lings around him and attack SCV's and CC. If you can't do that b/c bunker is at CC (i.e. you play Heartcutter) Then, go for Depots and academy if they have it up. |
| #27 {t4r}KronosIII[44034] |
| ci991207-b.edgewd1.ky.home.com |
Take a look at my super-powering toss build:
pylonx2 7
pylonx2 8
gatewayx3 10
assimilater 10
pylon 14
cybercore 14
forgex2 16
die to upgraded mass marines 78 =P
BTW: check out -mr.cow-'s new report to see me storming skillz. =D
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| #28 Fox^1[44038] |
| 01-040.039.popsite.net |
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Nice build orders. I fear Goons/templar/zealots more than anything. Goon/Reavers I use ling/muta, zealot/arkon/templar. Straight hydra/lurk. Goons/Templar gets hurt by lings/hydras. Once again thanks for the feeback everyone!
Fox^1 |
| #29 probe[44050] |
| dt121nf5.tampabay.rr.com |
you know what owns
if mark4 woulda posted that he beat so and so in tvp, he would get praised and his ass kissed even more;)
yet when lil ol me posts...
ke:D
anyway, i think zealot/goon/temp and mebbe a few reavers is best. we can practice some 1:1's if ya'd like |
| #30 DarkHawk[44063] |
| 209.128.34.1 |
OMFG!!! NEWBIES SHUT UP NOW!!! TOSS CAN COMPETE THATS WHY I AM 35-0 WHEN IM TOSS VS ZERG. I BEAT 1500 ZERGS, AND THE-FEARED CLAN.
WHY DON'T PLAY MARK4? CUZ HE WHOOPS NEWBIES ?
Zerg are good, im undefeated with them vs protoss on this account also, ( D-hawK) But, " Toss can't compete, and their ONLY chance lies in High templar. Heh...... " " Zerg rules!!! "
I'LL PLAY YOU, AND ONLY MAKE GOON/ZEAL. K? or only dragoons. stfu about high templar they help but ill kill you anyways.
Fox^1, your no zerg expert, you haven't even beaten mark4, stfu about your " elite strategys ".
UGH newbies!!!! |
| #31 HolyAnarchy[44069] |
| proxy1.roalok1.mi.home.com |
| Hey Girly-Voice hawke, stfu please. I really like this report/strat session, especially cause fox knows i suck with zerg. BTW Fox, get nobody to sign me up for the team dammit! |
#32  [44073] |
| strangers.bragg.army.mil |
| Just so you know Fox, I cancelled that stargate after I knew you'd seen it and make my citadel instead. Like you said, you never can scout enough. |
| #33 Fox^1[44081] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
Raptor: Cool I'll check it out!
Probe: Hey man! Ya we should play 1on1 so you can wup me up.
HolyAnarchy: =P You ask Nobody yourself!! He is the captian. I'll ask him for ya. :)
Mark4: All I have for your comment is
<h2> =þ <h2>
Everyone else thanks for the comments.
Fox^1
WTF is up with DarkHawk? |
| #34 Limp_Bizkit666[44097] |
| 206.117.45.208 |
hmmmm.... a wierd way of Br ing... nice.. =]
it would have been more cool if this was a textbook, instead of a lecture.....
so that would have the writing style more fun, and you could insert pictures...
sample paragraph...
<i>As you leared in your prior studies in the Zerg abilities, you would then proceed to building a spawning pool. This strategy would work wonders against an ignorant people like DarkHawke, but not against any non-newbies. If you succeed in following this build order, you will have precisly 14 zerglings by the two-minute mark. You are given two choices: to attack, or to not attack. =]</i>
hheheheheh
oh well...
byeya
p.s-fox = wierd.. and me = wierder.. and darkhawke = gay. |
| #35 Fox^1[44100] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
Friendly~Fire: It wasn't cheap! =P. I write these because my favorite battle reports are the ones that teach as well as entertain. 64x64? Good ol Blood Bath.
Fox^1 |
| #36 Fox^1[44103] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
Oh and D-Hawk I remember playing you. I'll take you up on your offer to play you. Go ahead and build nothing but Goons/Zealots. Whenever you want just let me know.
Fox^1 |
| #37 xero[44128] |
| 209.127.79.48 |
| i remember POA saying something in NH about this guy that built only goons and he kept winning everytime, he just microed like a lil b|tch ... |
| #38 BW-sux[44151] |
| spider-wm055.proxy.aol.com |
| Comment #12 for random quotes. |
| #39 ++swinger++[44243] |
| html.net |
| what is better against a fast expander with zeals and cannons? hydra/lurk or ling/hydra? Oh and when do you make drones and when do you troops? I am not a newbie but i am askning you guys what you think. |
| #40 Heartcutter[44253] |
| activer-2.ussntc.savvis.net |
Nice strat post. I like it. Quality elements and specific examples make it pretty strong.
-HC |
| #41 Ricky[44284] |
| 1Cust82.tnt1.damascus.md.da.uu.net |
I really enjoyed your strats. I, being an all Zerg player, find those strats very useful. Are you gonna make a chapter 2?
hehehehehehe
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| #42 Umadon[44285] |
| 206.78.139.49 |
| hey fox, i dont know if you remember me but i loved the strat post, im an avid zergger and like to see more non koreans taking an interest. i usually dont scout as much as you say, but ill give it a try, maybe ill win for a change. heh heh heh, j/k. great report!! |
| #43 Fox^1[44286] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
Hearcutter liked my report. I think I am going to die. Thanks HC haven't seen you around much. Swinger. Against zeal/cannons. I it all about lurk/hydra. Lurkers absolutely own zealots and with you hydras to either take out the cannons so he does not have detection or simply just dance around his zealots. Lings get rape by zealots/cannons. Lings are good early and late. But mid, I usually don't make that many of them.
About drones. Try to scout and see what the toss play is doing. Since you have 4-5 hatcheries. Keep pumping more drones than units until you see him either expand or attack. Whenever either happen use the bulk of your larva for units instead of drones. A good rule too is if you have 5 hatcheries to build drones/overlords from 2 of them and the rest are untis if he is expanding or attacking. If he is not then use 3 for drones/overlords and the others for units. Of course if you have 50 drones on a mineral area then you don't need mmore. But you get the picture. Hope this helps
Fox^1 |
| #44 Fox^1[44292] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
Thank Ricky Umadon! Sure I'll make a chapter 2 as soon I as I pass that chapter myself :D
Fox^1 |
| #45 Activus[44302] |
| sdn-ar-002nyrochP123.dialsprint.net |
Against a good protoss you have to expand, if you don't they will hold your ling rush with zealots + probes and get big before you can stop them. 3 hatch lings is good only if they try a varation of a fast expansion build, otherwise power up and make hydra/ling while teching to a few lurkers, if they stay defensive they die and if they don't try to catch them as they come down the ramp to expand. Continually making hatcheries is wise, even if you don't need the production, keeping a large number of hatcheries in one area can help with multi-tasking. The best way in zvz is usually a 8ol 9pool because you can take a fast pooler or a power player well. A 5pool with off sunken is strong also if you get zerg off random vs a chosen zerg. Goon/reaver is strong if you can manage your units so that the reavers don't die to the mutas (i.e targetting + reaver pick/drop). zlot/temp is weak early and requires more management than dragoons and reavers, you won't have alot of gas in goon reaver but if you can secure an expansion you should be able to get some templar and bust out. And people... jeez don't say stuff like "I go 7 hatch hydra" because no one goes straight to seven hatcheries without dying hard. Oh well.
Some comments from a washed up player,
Activus |
| #46 Fox^1[44308] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
Great comment Activus thanks. Reaver/goon is strong but it takes high micromanagement if the zerg player is going muta/ling. I don't like zealot/templar for an attack since lurker is just so strong. Even though you can storm a lurker that is 1 storm killing 1 lurker.
Then you just run in with all you hydras after he has used a good deal of storm. Or maybe I have just been playing to many newbies. 8 overlord 9 pool is good against z vs z. But it will lose to 4-6 pool. But once again I could be playing to many newbies. Not that many good ppl do that anymore, but you never know. I heard Stranix likes to pull a 4 pool more often then you would like to see. :)
Fox^1 |
| #47 Activus[44312] |
| sdn-ar-002nyrochP123.dialsprint.net |
Stranix doesn't impress me :-O, neither his skills nor his attitude are particularly appealing, but I will have to disagree about 4-6 pool beating the 9pool, because I've played many koreans zvz and 4pool's usually don't work on them, at least 1400+, they all do 8ol 9pool and then usually either mass lings or go muta. And with dragoon reaver, the catch is to either rush quick with 2gates and use good management to kill many zerglings without losing any zealots and then get him before he gets alot of mutalisks, or to go with 1gate tech and get him with a cliff cannon or use 2 ranged goons to disrupt his mining (only good on 3 and 6 positions mostly). I tend to play more terran than protoss or zerg but I can play most matchups pretty well.
Message me for some games, we can test out your theories,
Activus |
| #48 Fox^1[44322] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
Sure I would love to play Activus. I'll remember to whisper you. Unless you have Kali then we can meet there. :O Stranix doesn't impress you? Wow well you must either be really really really gosu or you just don't like his attitude. Cause he is really good.
Fox^1 |
| #49 Fox^1[44323] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
Thanks for the debate Activus you bring up some good topics. I would also like to add that If your going zealots against me then I am going to have hydras. But when you tech to goon reaver then I'll switch. Enough talk though I think we need to play. You can beat on me a whole bunch so I can learn.
Fox^1 |
| #50 Sp|nE[44362] |
| dialup1723-pri.voicenet.com |
Activus, bear my child
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| #51 Elendale[44496] |
| 205-213-43-196.sdlax.k12.wi.us |
Quote quote!!
Korean=zerg
-Fox^1 in Zerg for Dummies
-Elendale
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| #52 AgentN[44525] |
| cp-cache1.cpinternet.com |
| Activus, I'm impressed. First a lil background from me. I'm USA, won a few tourney's in local area, about 1150-200 or I had to try(but, ladder is corrupt) Okay, now that I have told you a lil about me. Activus....you sound like you at least know what you are talking about, which is good, but, now the question is....can you play to back it up. I agree with you in every aspect, other than probes/zlot can beat 3 hatch lings....I do not think that...b/c once you kill a lot or a bunch of probes you can run you lings right by the rest of the lots and attack pylons. by that time you should also have more lings built to back them up. that is a quick way to dispense/slow down most toss if you can do it. (this is kinda cheese) You can find the toss and 6/9 and you be at the opposite one. You can drop all lings on base with upgraded ovies. |
| #53 Activus[44557] |
| sdn-ar-004nyrochP329.dialsprint.net |
As to Fox's saying that he will have hydras by the time I have zealots near him, I will have to disagree strongly, I do not propose heavy zealots as a counter to hydras in any way, it is simply a way to slow his economy down and force him to make colonies and zerglings instead of drones. Usually I stop zealot production when I have around 6 or 8. And zealots and probes can beat 3 hall lings, I am not saying that a 1 gate build can, because it can't without a cannon or 2. 3 hall lings is not a rush it is a power attack so if you are on temple you set your zealots on hold position in a semi-circle on the top of your ramp with 1 or 2 probes in between. As to Stranix, yes he is a good player, as was I in my time, but he was caught map hacking and seems to have less than 20 words in his vocabulary, mostly 4 letter words or varations of "own". My background is that my ladder high was around 1500 early in brood war and season 2 regular starcraft, I have been #5 on case's ladder also. These are all past accomplishments, I am not near that level anymore.
Thanks for your time,
Activus |
| #54 Fox^1[44562] |
| 02-075.039.popsite.net |
Those are some accomplishments Activus, which wants me to play you now more then ever. I think that a player with your skill could greatly increase mine. I was refering to you saying against a ling/muta build against reaver/goon. You said you would use zealots to kill my lings early so I do not mass them. Does that mean your going to attack me? Or is that assuming I am going to attack you? Of course I would only go ling/mutas against a reaver/goon build. So if your using zealots to try to cut down my ling production I would switch to hydra. THen if you decided to back to reaver/goons I would get lings. But once again this is only talk. I mean you could easily micro goon/reaver to beat my ling/muta. We should just play though.
About Stranix maybe he wasn't the best example. :)
Thanks for you respone,
Fox^1
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| #55 Activus[44639] |
| sdn-ar-001nyrochP258.dialsprint.net |
No, the zealots are to keep the zerg from super powering while you get ahead in economy. They are just early in the game, later on I usually switch to some form of goon/reaver, once in a while zealot/ht.
Activus |
| #56 ...[45064] |
| user-38ld3o7.dialup.mindspring.com |
| <B>nicebr</B> |
| #57 ReKruL[45277] |
| spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com |
always go 8-ol its gosu like
get upgrades goin b4 lair huk^^ |
| #58 ReKruL[45278] |
| spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com |
| 8-ol-14-hatch-pool = gosu vrs toss hukhuk^^ |
| #59 ReKruL[45280] |
| spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com |
fox u suck at zerg same with all u other lamers
im the hukulous gosu zerg player and no one else is..okok? |
| #60 DS-Testie[45283] |
| spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com |
holy shit i suck
ReKruL > Me
^^ |
| #61 ReKruL[45284] |
| spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com |
| jee testie i think alot of people knew that....but now the whole world knows......thx! |
| #62 Fox^1[45299] |
| csdi2-proxy.support.compaq.com |
LOL I luv you so much I want to sex you up in the "Rekrul" area.
Fox^1 |
| #63 Limp_Bizkit666[47908] |
| whv-ca3b-58.rasserver.net |
do you know how sucky it is to be ignored by FOX???
gawd, i'm too ashameed to even write more. =[
byeya
p.s-evidence? read up top. |
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