| #1 urnotE[1330] |
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| Whoops, bit of a typo where I said merged the Templar into Archons, shoulda just been an Archon. Don't know what I was thinkin =] |
| #2 Mark4[1336] |
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| Dragoons die to every terran ground unit except SCVs, vultures, and goliaths. And goliaths don't do that bad. |
| #3 Willzzz[1339] |
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Not in large numbers, and Dragoons are faster than terran troops too.
Goliaths do do that bad...
Gols still the worst terran unit. |
| #4 .Praetor[1345] |
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| You know, SCV don't do that bad vs goons. Ever see four of them take one out =). I hate it when people scream imbalance. Notice how you urnotE never saw a tank vs. a a largely land force? Take the victory, fool, and stop bugging us with this imbalance nonsense. |
| #5 JSH[1349] |
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| I don't think this proves imbalance either. Mass infantry vs. Toss is not a great idea at all because of Reavers and Templars. If she had made tanks and laid spider mines I think the story would have been much different. |
| #6 Templar of doom[1352] |
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| How was this close, the only attack was the tank and that was the biggest mistake. If he dropped some tanks with mirine support into your base he may have had you but i NEVER saw your base due to lack of screenshots. |
| #7 OrcManiac[1354] |
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You can say what you want guys but TvP IS imbalanced. The fact is that it is not THAT imbalanced. Its possible to win but you need a larger variety of units vs a toss that can go mass goons + temp almost exclusively while making 23432543534 carriers. Dont get me wrong its possible to win but its tougher.
BTW i play terran exclusively and im 1218.
Mark lets play sometime >:[ |
| #8 Johnny_Vegas[1359] |
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What the hell? Why did Nano concede? It looked to me that she was doing fine.
It wasn't her main CC that she lifted was it? Last protoss I beat, I just denied exp on lost temple. I did the old cliff drop, securing the bunker and turret before they even expanded there. |
| #9 Johnny_Vegas[1360] |
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| And one more thing. She should have gotten a lot more tanks, and a lot less infantry. |
| #10 patheto[1362] |
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Toss vs terran is indeed slightly imbalanced, but not in the points you mentioned. Goons are but fodder to medarines and tanks, and DTs lose when your opponent has made the same investement in bats, cuz of the splash damage they do.
High Templar alone aren't much of a threat either, with tanks, mines and irradiate(only offensive)to counter them. The one and only imbalance I can see is a High Templar, D-Web, goon combo. Goons are pretty good against mines, D-webs shuts down tanks( what if he keeps some unsieged, though?) and irradiate is too slow to save his infantry from Psi-storm. An advantage that terrans have, however, is that D-web+psistorm lies in the highest branches of the toss tech-tree, not to mention the colossal cost of the fleet beacon. AND you are gonna need lots of micro to counteract his reaction. |
| #11 Mind Twist[1365] |
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| I don't play Terran much (Hardest race for me) except I made a 64x64 map with comp 1 resource patch me 7, w/ 1 gas spot to see if I could do a decent tank push.. Went when I had 4 tanx and about 6 marines.. I learned that I need to put eng bay and acad earlier to get upgrades and detection.. but that has nothing to do with this post. |
| #12 Mark4[1367] |
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Orcmaniac, find me and I'll play.
There is a TvP imbalance, and it's in the terran favor on small and medium land maps. |
| #13 JSH[1369] |
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| And it's the other way on islands and large maps. |
| #14 .Praetor[1371] |
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| Imbalance. HAH. Doesn't exist. Just my opinion. Patheto, Goons, even en masse, don't do well against mines. In my experience, the mines always get to the goons before the goons go through their ridicuously slow process of opening their little eye and firing. And Orcmaniac, you play Terrans??? That's odd..... I'd have figured you'd have kept up against the human race after War2. |
| #15 JSH[1373] |
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| Goons do very well against mines once observers come out. |
| #16 HydraDropper[1383] |
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I think the failure of the top players in the top tournaments (i.e. Battlenet BroodWar and PGL) to play or win with terran (except when opponent is terran) is adequate evidence of their inferiority. In PGL just now, Taurus was the only player to take terran and lost miserably, all other players were zerg or protoss.
Furthermore, recently two top players played a series of games to test this theory, Stratus and D-22 Soso. Soso was winner of the BroodWar Bnet tourney and runner up in PGL. He had claimed Terrans to be possibly the BEST race after 1.05 patch, and Stratus publicly challenged him on his own forum, www.gamers.com/starcraft, to 10 games where Stratus would be Protoss and Soso would be Terran (Stratus claimed that protoss owns terran). Stratus guaranteed at least 8 wins. After four straight losses, Soso conceded the point.
Note that these are top players. Of course it is impossible to prove or disprove imbalance enough to satisfy many devotees of a particular race, but the relative absence of top players who play or win with terran is in my mind a compelling sign of imbalance. If Johnny can go on GX Starcraft Forum and challenge Stratus and even win four out of 10 vs. protoss, it would be quite an accomplishment, hehe... |
| #17 Bob the Newt[1387] |
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| Johnny you should do that! Great publicity for the site, plus it would be real cool. You'd need 4 observers to cover that (hint hint, I'm available =). |
| #18 PR()T()$$[1389] |
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| You go Dropper, you da man! And there's no way that even on a freezing day in hell Vegas will win a game vs stratus' toss with ANY race:) Neither would I though:) Nor you, nor mark4:) |
| #19 DisgruntledApe[1390] |
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| Cool game. Could have used a few paragraphs, though. That makes it easier to read. |
| #20 Flint79[1397] |
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| Once again Ape brings us back to reality about the actual post. |
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