| #1 Twip[1845] |
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| Oh wow, the table didn't come out right...I put a table up showing the map and players/races, but it won't show up. If you highlight the big empty area with your mouse, you can see it. That's odd how it messed up... |
| #2 Twip[1846] |
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Hmm...quite a few things didn't turn out right. First of all, I thought (for some stupid reason) that the font used was Times New Roman, but in the Arial font they use you can't tell the difference between "i33t-h4x0r" and "L33t-h4x0r". Also, those seemingly out-of-place colons you see are actually supposed to be smirk faces, with a backwards-slash. Oh well...
This is what the table said:
<pre>Map: Challenger
Players: Me (Twip), Terran, top center (12:00)
S-PLATOON, Protoss, bottom center (6:00)</pre>
I hope that cleared some things up. Oh well...things to beware of when writing a report here, heh. |
| #3 Bob the Newt[1848] |
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| Don't worry, you talked about terran beating toss and mine containment, Johnny'll give it a 10. ;) |
| #4 Comidus[1850] |
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The mass vultures has always been appealing, but the micromanagement always killed me. Either I gave them too much AI and they got killed, or I micro'd too much and I end up with a huge chunk of minerals in the bank.
Do you shift queue the mine laying? |
| #5 Mark4[1860] |
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| My favorite part was when you talked about the SCVs disobeying orders =]. Sounds like a leader blaming his troops for his own failings =]. |
| #6 Snowreaver[1861] |
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| Was that the strat posted by MicroTurtle? I wanted to try that out myself after OMC reposted it yesterday... glad to see it works. :> |
| #7 Heartcutter[1863] |
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Best of luck on the Vulture strat. It never worked for me. Never. Tried maybe 30 times. I didn't count the times that it worked against sucky players (and it did, on occassion).
I will tell you what they are good for though. Patrolling untaken expansions. They excel at it. |
| #8 Johnny_Vegas[1873] |
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| 30 times and it never worked heartcutter? Ouch. I think it depends on the map really. It works to an extent, but don't go overboard. Don't make 12 vultures without having at least 1 tanks for instance. I admit, I don't use vultures much either. I probably do more than your average player though. For instance in team games if my partner is getting double rushes constantly and I had gone tech, I sometimes abort tanks and switch to vultures and mines cause they provide a quicker defense in a pinch. A few games I saved my partner with a mined out choke that discouraged further attacks on him. |
| #9 ralessi[1883] |
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| Ok, this is to all you anti-imbalance people out there saying vultures rule blah blah and everything. I want you to take your terran, and go play Jim~LiZarD, or d22-soso, or any other great protoss player. Then, I want you to tell me about how there is no imbalance after the game =] |
| #10 Johnny_Vegas[1892] |
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I played Jim~Lizard 2 games last weekend. First game he drops Dtemps on my island super early. I barely live. He KEEPS dropping more.. and more.. I wasn't able to recover.. I die
The 2nd game he plays "Deny the expansion" And I was forced to take a mineral only exp. He kills me with Carriers. But I did nuke him twice! =] |
| #11 Twip[1909] |
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| ralessi, I NEVER SAID ANYWHERE that there is no imbalance. Now STFU. :| |
| #12 PR()T()$$[1913] |
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| This goes to show how imbalanced tvp is. I admit that there are great terrans like ]3blade, Heartcutter, Vegas and )3east that would be able to beat me with terran. But still, if 2 players of equal skill play toss will undoubtly win. Toss have superior recon, best units, best spellcasters, they own air/islands and can expand easily. The only race that is good vs toss is zerg and toss. Zerg actually own toss land just because of their ability to expand like mad and make a BUNCH of units. When I play terran I always lose to scrubs that I would esily beat with toss. Terran take too much micro and just don't have the tools to stand up to toss period. |
| #13 PR()T()$$[1914] |
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| This goes to show how imbalanced tvp is. I admit that there are great terrans like ]3blade, Heartcutter, Vegas and )3east that would be able to beat me with terran. But still, if 2 players of equal skill play toss will undoubtly win. Toss have superior recon, best units, best spellcasters, they own air/islands and can expand easily. The only race that is good vs toss is zerg and toss. Zerg actually own toss land just because of their ability to expand like mad and make a BUNCH of units. When I play terran I always lose to scrubs that I would esily beat with toss. Terran take too much micro and just don't have the tools to stand up to toss period. |
| #14 ralessi[1921] |
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| Twip, you said in the title, TvP imbalance can shove it vultures rule. This doesn't mean there is no imbalance? Maybe im stupid o_O |
| #15 Twip[1929] |
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| Maybe so ;). It just means Terrans can somewhat live with the imbalances and play anyway...something like that. The game was a breakthrough for me, heh. |
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