| #1 Johnny_Vegas[4235] |
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Great report, these are the kind I like. Even without pics it was a fun read.
What's up with 6-7 goliaths and a few vultures killing 12 dragoons and 3 templar??!?
Dragoons toast goliaths 1v1. What did you do run past as goliaths got free hits? I know shiro is good at micro but that's ridiculous.. |
| #2 -Flathead-[4237] |
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About the dragoons;
I re-read the report and it looks really bad for the timing on that.
I din't have 12 dragoons when the golgies came, I think I only had a handful (4-5) and a coupla templars. And no, dragoons *do not* rock goliaths. Reavers do, but not dragoons. Me n Shiro had plenty of dragoon vs. golgie wars, and they seemed pretty even costwise. |
| #3 Johnny_Vegas[4239] |
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| Hmm.. I thought goliaths were large units, and goons did explosive dmg, thus blasting goliaths to hell. |
| #4 -Flathead-[4240] |
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Now I'm starting to wonder myself....
Is there a ROF difference? How much dmg/sec does one golgie do against a dragoon? How much dmg/sec does one dragoon do against a goliath? I'm not sure at all, since I fly by the seat of my pants too much and don't know these numbers.
I'm still trying to figure out how his golgies shredded my goonz. Maybe he just had me outnumbered the whole time and I was delusional.
-Flathead- |
| #5 [FLS]prozerran[4242] |
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If I remember correctly....
Goliaths do 12(+1) normal Ground at 22 cool with 1 armor
Dragoons do 20(+2) explosive at 30 cool with 1 armor
So golies do 11/2=0.5 per cool to goons
goons do 19/30=0.66 per cool to golies
This is kinda close, BUT
goons got 180 HP, and golies got the puny 125.
Golies sux against goons. |
| #6 haha[4246] |
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| goons beat the shit out of gols...even without range |
| #7 Fractal_Wave[4249] |
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Good report Flathead. Do you always speak in the third person?
I don't know about the goon vs. goliath controversy...suffice to say if i had been in Shiroman's possition, you would have seen a horde of tanks and almost no goliaths. Seiged Tanks punish goons
Keep up the good work!
All the best for 1999,
Fractal_Wave |
| #8 -Flathead-[4255] |
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Thanks for the compliment Fractal, I tell BR's in the third person because they sound *a lot* better that way. Nothing to make a BR sound conceited than "Me" "Me" "I" and the like cluttering up the whole thing.
And yep, tanks would have beaten my ground easily. Now I would have gone much heavier zealots and prolly archons/templars or corsairs w/web had I seen lots and lots of tanks.
But to be honest, the fighting was intense enough the whole time that large numbers of units never really came into play for either of us. So him bringing 8 or 9 tanks would have been unrealistic at any point.... |
| #9 Dev[4319] |
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I'd like to take this opportunity to post a ranting comment. (:
Things I'm sick of seeing:
Protoss mono-unit 'macro' dragoon armies. I swear, eight gateways worth of dragoons is like saying 'I don't want to actually strategize to get by those siege tanks, I just want to click the mouse a few times.' I hate the fact that dragoons overpower siege tanks.
Things I'd like to see:
Goliaths as support for tank pushes later in the game. At least against Protoss. At thier size and hitpoints, with just a tich of micro they are MUCH less vulnerable to psionic storm than a marine group, which will be slaughtered in less than a second by a single high templar. Their damage isn't that bad, and with tanks and repairing SCV support they'll hold their own against dragoons (I think). Plus, they MURDER air.
Against Zerg, I'd still go with M&M because the zerg don't have as much of a 'mass death' spell; I'd rather have medics and infantry against plague. However, you better have some fighters (valks or wraiths) or irradiate for those guardians... because if you only support with M&M they'll mop the floor with you and have fun doing it. |
| #10 JSH[4397] |
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Who needs strategy when you have overpowered units? :P
1sh2sh3sh4sh5sh6sh repeat every 20 seconds. |
| #11 [IceBerG][4435] |
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| Hehe.. just wanted to say JSH, YOU ARE SO RIGHT. hehe.. Oh well, I would like to see goons charge up a ramp. ;-p |
| #12 DarKnight[4462] |
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it was an ok report!
i don't know why i posted this but i wanted to do something
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